Sparkly

[problemchild1976]

Re: Sparkly

http://www.swissvax.co.uk/

JJ
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[W32 TTF]

Re: Sparkly

how does wax remove wax??

when you clay a car, you don't do the whole car though!!

....and what polish has abrasives in???

if you say turtle wax or colour magic i may have to get my stick out

It doesnt you muppet I should be getting the stick out for you!

And when you clay a car YES you should clay the whole car (apart from the windows and plastic trim)

ALL Polish has an abrasive content otherwise it wouldn't "polish" the car would it.

Super resin Polish contains more filler than abrasive content though.

1. Give your car a going over with a Halogen lamp and look at the swirls.
2. Give it a coat of super resin polish and look at the swirls again they will be reduced.
3. Give the car an IPA wipe over to remove any polish and you will see that 60% of the swirls you didnt see the 2nd time are back.

WHY the other 40% are gone from the paintwork because you have polished them out of the clearcoat. YOU HAVE ACHIEVED THIS BECAUSE OF THE ABRASIVE CONTENT IN THE POLISH!

please dont give out advice if you dont know what you are talking about :wag:

[problemchild1976]

Re: Sparkly

blah blah blah!! don't wag your finger at me cheeky monkey

i know what i am talking about.....wax!!

and you are talking about colour magic

and i'm talking about waxing a car to get the deep shine - not just polishing!!

the pre wax oil IS the abrasive part of your cheapo nasty polish....!! filler!! abrasive!! swirls!! not on my paint!!

...and why are we claying the WHOLE car?? its to remove specs and bugs and tar etc.....!! you'd get through a whole pot of lube per car if you did the whole car!! still only dirtying the same amount of clay!!

Random!! must have missed your NVQ in turtlewax applications

JJ
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[NeilOs]

Re: Sparkly

you'd get through a whole pot of lube per car if you did the whole car!!

Depends if you buy it gallon bottles.... :redface:

[W32 TTF]

Re: Sparkly

blah blah blah!! don't wag your finger at me cheeky monkey

i know what i am talking about.....wax!!

and you are talking about colour magic

Random!! must have missed your NVQ in turtlewax applications

JJ
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No what you have missed is that I am a Autoglym and Meguiars approved detailer with many years of experience. I have detailed cars from the humble Mini right up to Lamborghini's and a Ferrari F50. I have prepared cars that have gone onto be displayed at Goodwood! and even a Milli Miglia entrant & I am insured to work on cars worth upto £4million!

Now out of respect to David this is my last post on the matter if you wish to carry on feel free to PM me. When I organise the detailing day down at my unit please come along come along and id like show you what your missing out on.

[problemchild1976]

Re: Sparkly

Yeah! Must have missed that post

and I'm teasing... Why does everyone get so wound up??

What is in polish then? Resin and abrassive stuff? How do you know what is being buffed up then? Resin or abbrasive stuff! I am truely interested as I have always been told that carnuba wax is the best finish and I've always dismissed meguires as a bit cheap it's next to the turtle wax in halfords! They must do different grades!

JJ

[W32 TTF]

Re: Sparkly

Polish
The purpose of a polish is to clean your paintwork and make it shiny again. A polish usually contains abrasives, this is most commonly aluminium oxide, as you put it on the car will remove dead paint which has become oxidized. They may also contain lots of solvents which clean your paintwork (paint cleaning products). Products do contain waxes and oils but generally speaking, these are there for lubrication of the abrasives and not enough to give protection to your car. In fact having polished your car you will have stripped back any protection you may have, so you will need to put a wax on your car.
I’m often asked how often you should polish your car, the best answer is to do it when it needs it - when the paintwork starts looking dull and tired. You shouldn’t really polish your car every time you clean it, if you do want to follow a schedule, then once every 6 months is enough for most people, but once a year is fine but it depends on the car and what the car is used for but most of the time once a year/6 months is the norm

Wax
The purpose of wax products it coat your car in a protective, sacrificial layer. Wax products contain a blend of waxes and oils. The waxes can be natural waxes and/or synthetic, although there is a trend at the moment for the synthetic based products to be called Sealants*. Both types of product get attacked by road salts, UV rays, ozone and all the other nasties — but while they are bearing the brunt of this punishment, your paintwork doesn’t have to, which is why we call it a sacrificial layer. Waxes and sealants generally last from 1 month to one year, generally speaking most waxes last 3 months, be warned, they don’t always do what they say on the tin. Many waxes will promise that they last 1 year but they seldom last anywhere near that, so it’s best to assume you wax lasts 3 months**. The general rule of thumb is that the longer they last, the less shiny they are, and visa versa***. Waxes are designed for slightly different purposes, some people like to wax their car every week and want the best shine they can get, other people want to put it on and forget it for a year, they require protection and don’t worry too much about getting a ‘wet look shine’. There are even products designed to make a car really really glossy that will last a few days or even a few hours — this sounds crazy and impractical, but they are perfect for cars in a showroom or at a car show.

Glazes
These are polishes which contain no abrasive content Their primary function is to improve the brilliance and clarity of the paint. They may contain fillers to hide very minor imperfections (swirls) and may or may not offer any protective qualities. Glazes revitalise the look of all paint finishes through oils and "wetting agents".

Combination products
There are plenty of products that both wax and polish - seldom is this fact made very clear on the bottle! You certainly won’t see a bottle labeled ‘combination product’. In fact they could be labeled either ‘wax’ or ‘polish’. Unfortunately the marketing guys don’t care about definitions and will call their product whatever they think sounds best. So take care to always read the label to make sure you know what you are getting.
These combination products are on the whole very good and a perfect solution for most people, this perhaps why AutoGlym’s Super Resin Polish has become the benchmark among all car care products. It is named a polish, but it is mostly a synthetic wax, and it is very slightly abrasive, and it contains chemicals that clean your paintwork.. so in effect it does everything. It doesn’t give the very best shine, it’s not the easiest product to use, and when you take it off it creates a lot of dry dust. But it is a great all-rounder.


Halfords is great especially at the moment with 3 for 2 on all cleaning bits but once you find some stuff that you like its worth find out out where your local Autoglym dealer is and buy the trade range of the stuff if Autoglym floats your boat.

EG the Quick detailer that Autoglym make is £7 for 700ml from Halfords (its pretty much that price anywhere) where as the trade size quick detailer is £15 for 5 Liters INC VAT.

Meguiars only sell about 10% of there line up in Halfords they make some Very Very Decent products and some highly specialised polishes too.

[problemchild1976]

Re: Sparkly

Ah..... Now I understand! The pre wax oil IS polish then!

So when my swissol pre wax oil runs out, I can get some standard meguires (I utilise the 3 for 2 lots and have lots of meguires stuff but only interior, wheels and plastics)

I think I will stick with the swissol wax though as I have never seen my car gleam so much!!

JJ

[832ark]

Re: Sparkly

Ah..... Now I understand! The pre wax oil IS polish then!

So when my swissol pre wax oil runs out, I can get some standard meguires (I utilise the 3 for 2 lots and have lots of meguires stuff but only interior, wheels and plastics)

I think I will stick with the swissol wax though as I have never seen my car gleam so much!!

JJ

It depends on which pre wax oil you're using, the current Swissvax cleaner fluid contains no abrasives so is not really a polish from what I understand. I wonder if a more comparable product would be a glaze of some kind?

I'm just starting to learn about detailing but this is what I plan on doing to my car ( not the brand new smart)

Snow foam
wash
clay
polish
glaze
wax

The only bit I'm not sure about is the pre wax cleaner - should I use this before/after/instead of the glaze?

Cheers

Al

[W32 TTF]

Re: Sparkly

dont bother with it.

The clay and polish will do the job just as well

[Hogster]

Re: Sparkly

Fascinating stuff, thanks Ben!

I'm looking forward to your detailing day Is it likely to be in the middle of the summer or can it be done indoors (so in our current weather :p)?

Cheers!


David

[832ark]

Re: Sparkly

dont bother with it.

The clay and polish will do the job just as well

Bus seeing as I already have it, what stage would you suggest I use it?

Very interested in your detailing day BTW, you sound like you know what you're talking about!

[problemchild1976]

Re: Sparkly

Yeah - does seem pre wax and polish are same! The paint becomes shiny and really is squeeky clean

JJ

[832ark]

Re: Sparkly

Yeah - does seem pre wax and polish are same! The paint becomes shiny and really is squeeky clean

JJ

Thats the opposite of what I'm saying, the current standard SW cleaner is NOT a polish - I suspect that its the equivalent of a glaze. Not sure what the old pre wax does though.

[problemchild1976]

Re: Sparkly

Thats the opposite of what I'm saying, the current standard SW cleaner is NOT a polish - I suspect that its the equivalent of a glaze. Not sure what the old pre wax does though.

its a polish........

QUOTE from swissol "This paint preserving solution contains 'heavy' polishing oils that will nourish the paint. It does not contain abrasives. For use on swirl marks, light scratches, tar spots and tree sap. An absolute must before the first wax treatment."

just because it doesn't contain abrassives, doesn't mean it doesn't do the same job.....in fact i would say it does a better job as it is gentler to your paint!

JJ