Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

[Taraxacum]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

In the early days 1998/1999 it was possible to break 120PS from a map, with the standard engine setup.

I can remember those being about in Germany I think. One of the main problems then and perhaps still now with that power and the standard components is the clutch. I am sure the clutch, although it will be over designed, will have difficulty with these levels of power. Also if no better air filter has been fitted I think the car will have difficulty taking in enough air to burn enough petrol to make it over the 100bhp in the long term if it's treated/serviced as normal.

You dont get extra power for nothing!

[Massive]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

there's an 140+ hp 4-2 around here

We hear this alot, but have never seen any proof. I am prepared to believe such a car could exsist if given some technical details and
a plot. It is not impossible, I would like to see how it has been achieved.

[S2trash]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

massive..while at hambach we where told 160+ was possible..just be to god dam dangerous to drive and when it had been tried it went bang after a short time...

[blondster1983]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

To get a reliable 100bhp I doubt you would have to really uprate any major components...
I take people's point on the clutch, but i think that with the rest of it, as long as you are running sensible levels of boost, and letting the thing warm up/cool down, I can't see any major probs in the short term... 115bhp onward, yes I could see how that might be stressing the engine a lot...

Obviously, I would imagine that on a track day the engine may not fare as well due maybe to extra heat buildup? And high-mileage examples may not last as long I guess, because of the extra strain on components...

I've probably jinxed myself now, but I feel that with a lower mileage car there should be no probs with that sort of power...

[ZorroReturns]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

I can remember those being about in Germany I think.!

Yes you are right, some serious tuners were making xtreme smarts in the early days in germany.

3 german tuners were well known for making these beasts. (sadly one of the tuners is not with us).

One or two smarts used to run around the UK with 100PS map.

Also if no better air filter has been fitted I

I think the tuning would have stretched to an airfilter:p , but otherwise te rest was stock standard.

[S2trash]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

answer to all this..get a tow from a jet fighter and sling shoot it

[Massive]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

but I feel that with a lower mileage car there should be no probs with that sort of power...

I certainly hope so! I am careful with my car, I want it to last a long time

[funky]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

We hear this alot, but have never seen any proof. I am prepared to believe such a car could exsist if given some technical details and
a plot. It is not impossible, I would like to see how it has been achieved.

Now... let's get this straight, :wag: i have no reason to speak from my

head, this guy doesn't want to be known for this around, for his

own reasons. The only thing that i know, and i'm no good mechanicwise, is

that nearly everything in the engine is from a Brabus Roadster

(motor,turbo, etc.), everything is forged, and 0-60mph is 6+ sec.


Oh plus that is runnin' for more than a year without probs.

How 'bout that

[Massive]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

As I said, I am prepared to believe with proof. If he does not want it to be known then why are you quoting it?

It is simply not wise to make any claim without support. Have you seen a plot?

You are advising someone to go for it. Go for what? Lets have some details and keep the owners name out of it. I to would like to replicate this performance if its reliability is that good at the level.

[jimmyjames]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

100 bhp/ton maybe!!!!
My mk1 (599cc) is re-mapped to about 84bhp, and the cars weight (for the sake of argument) is 800kg
1000kg (1 metric ton) divided by 800 = 1.25
1.25 multiplied by 84 = 105
Therefore 105bhp/ton

[FT07_AMG]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

Ithink the main reason you can't just remap to 100bnp but need other mods is that the standard turbo/intake/injection combo is simply incapable or delivering enough fuel air mixture to enable the magic 100bhp.
The main issue is the turbo. It just can't produce the sustained boost levels you need for that much power. Thats why the brabus roadie and the conversions have a larger turbo.
Better induction helps it breath and maintain better boost but there is a limit to what a small turbo can do when it comes to maintaining a level of pressure.

[knightfall]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

Yes you can see 100 bhp from a 700cc smart engine but,
a) its from a roadster
b) its remapped
c) the power figure is at the crank - probably about 80 odd at the wheels
Why the obssession with 100 bhp ? You'll never use it all on the road anyway
How do I know that it's possible ? Anyone remember the open day at red dot racing ? My ex-wifes roadie went on the rolling road and recorded 106 bhp at the crank (about 86 bhp at the wheels if I remember correctly).

[phoenix3dfx225]

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you'll never use it on the road??? the quicker you can overtake the safer it is... The bottom line 100bhp isnt all that, and maybe people like 100bhp or more because they have big 17" wheels which actually make the car to struggle even upto 100mph (I'm taking about myself here btw lol) finally might decide to go back to 15" rims - maybe!

As for component stress, had the car for well over a year now and frequently go off the boost gauge (it reads 2bar),, even though all tuners say DONT DO IT, bah, you try and learn, and ive learnt so far it seems fine.

[Massive]

Re: Can you re map a 700cc smart to 100bhp?

Why the obssession with 100 bhp ?

If you need to ask, you should not be reading this section.

17" wheels with 245/35/17 and a ton of ICE. 104 bhp gives me 98 mph top end. I can however, sprint well and keep safe on the motorway.

I have been in smarts with under 100bhp that have a higher top end than mine. Its all down to what you want the car to do. The Mk of the smart and what you do to mod it. Oh, that's why we have so much fun, no two cars are alike.

[phoenix3dfx225]

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Ya not kiddin, I run the 598 mk5 , TIK 74kw pipes, various remaps 2bar of boost, but big 17" wheels, aye its loud and fast and handles amazing but it has issues on the motorway at the moment (think its mapping issue again), yet I've got mothers G2 700cc completely standard and by that I mean sea sick suspension and 135front tyres, and wow its spirted around town and easily reaches its 84mph limiter on the motorway, but damn is it a death trap to drive with the handling and brakes!!!!

Cant wait to get mine back from the bodyshop (charge cooler water radiator is being fitting inbetween the headlights and meshed over). I so hope the figures about every 10c each x amount of BHP