4two+2

[Messerschmitt Owner]

Re: 4two+2

Yes... please... enlighten us... smart owners

it isn't a smart - it's a rebodied Colt, a series of cars that have been developed by Mitsubishi since 1962.

The engine is at the wrong end, it may be a perfectly good car (some may say, even a great car!) but it didn't start life as a smart and its DNA is not smart!

That doesn't mean it is a bad car, it isn't, but as a rebodied Colt, it's a Mitsubishi.

And I am speaking as someone who really likes forfours.

[10:45PM]

Re: 4two+2

That's like saying this is a smart

http://www.longislandpress.com/2010/11/25/smart-usa-and-nissan-motor-co-team-up-to-produce-a-new-car/

:wag: it a flipping nissan:redface:

[problemchild1976]

Re: 4two+2

the engine is at the wrong end???

is that ALL that makes a smart a smart??? total rubbish

chassis (at the level of car we are talking) does not make a car......nor does the engine!! it's all about styling and design - or have i missed the immense driving experience of the fortwo or maybe its strong reliable engine?? haha!! (i am an ex fortwo owner and i loved it.....hence why i bought a forfour.....and i love it just as much)

i think this is the fortwo +2 that you seek......



JJ

[Mitchturbo FFO Timelord]

Re: 4two+2

Ok cool lol

Are us forfour owners still welcome at smart meets, I mean are we still allowed to come?
Cause there are a few I really wanna come to

[Messerschmitt Owner]

Re: 4two+2

the engine is at the wrong end???

is that ALL that makes a smart a smart??? total rubbish

chassis (at the level of car we are talking) does not make a car......nor does the engine!! it's all about styling and design - or have i missed the immense driving experience of the fortwo or maybe its strong reliable engine?? haha!! (i am an ex fortwo owner and i loved it.....hence why i bought a forfour.....and i love it just as much)

i think this is the fortwo +2 that you seek......



JJ

it isn't a smart - it's a rebodied Colt, a series of cars that have been developed by Mitsubishi since 1962.

The engine is at the wrong end, it may be a perfectly good car (some may say, even a great car!) but it didn't start life as a smart and its DNA is not smart!

That doesn't mean it is a bad car, it isn't, but as a rebodied Colt, it's a Mitsubishi.

And I am speaking as someone who really likes forfours.

see above! It's a Mitsubishi - which has been rebodied to become a smart.

That's the main reason - it's all in the DNA. Doesn't stop it being a good car or being a smart - but it isn't a 'real' smart - more a coltt in plastic clothing

[problemchild1976]

Re: 4two+2

Still don't agree!! It was a collaboration!! Its nothing to do with the chassis or engine otherwise...

A vx220 would be a lotus and a vectra

A rover 25 would be a Honda civic

A Volvo would be a mondeo

....and so on!!

The design gives the car it it's identity surely??

If the new forfour (the red one) is powered by a Nissan diesel engine...... what will it be??

JJ

[lalli_d1]

Re: 4two+2

is the Aygo a C1? is the 107 an Aygo? is the AM Cygnet a Citroen?. they are all the same car with a diffrent body
is the Cayen and Panamera not a Porsche because the 'engine is in the wrong place' and ones a VW Tourag with a diffrent shell? nope they are still Porsche's
just because the Forfour shares the same platform as the Colt doesnt make it no less a Smart. manufactures are all doing it to reduce costs, take the X-Type as another example its floor pan is the same as the 2000MY Mondeo, but it still doent make it any less of a Jag!
as JJ said he is an ex fortwo owner, as am i, and i love it to bits thats why i bought a SMART Forfour.

thats my 2 pencs!

[Mitchturbo FFO Timelord]

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I always thought of the forfour as a hybrid. The best of both worlds...
For example: A European Lady having a baby with a Japanese Man...
The forfour and the Colt were their children.

When I did my research on the smart forfour, I read in numerous articles and Internet Info that it was a collaboration between smart and Mitsubishi.
The Mitsubishi Colt needed a serious redesign and the smart needed a new platform for customers like me (family man)
They worked together and mingled their ideas... Mitsubishi supplied the Chassis while both companies worked on the design and electronics of both vehicles. The result is smart got a cracking forward wheel super mini with all the smart categorys ticked (plastic panels, safety tridion, funky colours, groovy design) while Mitsubishi got the new redesigned Colt. More like a conventional vehicle that they could sell at a cheaper price to a larger audience and hence it was released first. The smart only slightly afterwards.

Which is probably why non smart forfour owners swear that the smart forfour is just a rebadged Colt.
If the smart forfour was released first, we will be in a different scenario where the Colt would of been just a rebadged forfour.

It is a different story with the new USA version of the forfour cause it is a redesign of the new Nissan micra, which would be a case of not a true smart and just a rebadged debate which would be as true as true.

The smart forfour that all you smarties dislike and us forfour owners love is therefore a true smart because it was designed at the same time and not just a rebadging.

This discussion had been repeated throughout the forfours history with smart and I have given you the facts to stop this debate once and for all. The smart forfour is intact a true smart true and true, through and through.

I am the forfour owner Timelord and I have spoken.

[kevskars]

Re: 4two+2

[QUOTE=problemchild1976;700762]the engine is at the wrong end???

is that ALL that makes a smart a smart??? total rubbish

chassis (at the level of car we are talking) does not make a car......nor does the engine!! it's all about styling and design - or have i missed the immense driving experience of the fortwo or maybe its strong reliable engine?? haha!! (i am an ex fortwo owner and i loved it.....hence why i bought a forfour.....and i love it just as much)

i think this is the fortwo +2 that you seek



many thanks at last but not sure on the doors

[Messerschmitt Owner]

Re: 4two+2

I am the forfour owner Timelord and I have spoken.

nip forward in time and see how the forfour is judged then!

I'm not denying it isn't a good car - and do remember the only smart I have not owned or driven for decent lengths of time is a crossblade, I think I can judge.

The 'i' also came out of that collaboration and is IMHO a better 'smart forfour' than the real forfour. Speaking too, as a family man, the smart supermini was too dear, too small and that olive colour - blaaargh!

There are things I don't like about the i - including the upchange on the box, the plasticky interior, the not so comfortable seats, but all round, it's different, and its fun - the forfour only looks different in funky colours - in black or silver (the most common colour combos) it looks like every other car on the road.

However, the everyday driver may prefer a forfour as it does look convential, but many smart owners who grew up with city coupes almost all invariably prefer the idea of a forfour in the style of a stretched fortwo or (as it is commonly known, a Mitsubishi i.)

[Mitchturbo FFO Timelord]

Re: 4two+2

nip forward in time and see how the forfour is judged then!

I'm not denying it isn't a good car - and do remember the only smart I have not owned or driven for decent lengths of time is a crossblade, I think I can judge.

The 'i' also came out of that collaboration and is IMHO a better 'smart forfour' than the real forfour. Speaking too, as a family man, the smart supermini was too dear, too small and that olive colour - blaaargh!

There are things I don't like about the i - including the upchange on the box, the plasticky interior, the not so comfortable seats, but all round, it's different, and its fun - the forfour only looks different in funky colours - in black or silver (the most common colour combos) it looks like every other car on the road.

However, the everyday driver may prefer a forfour as it does look convential, but many smart owners who grew up with city coupes almost all invariably prefer the idea of a forfour in the style of a stretched fortwo or (as it is commonly known, a Mitsubishi i.)

Your cool messy I like you!

And you have made a very good honest point, You speak with much wisdom and devotion in your words... I have far to go before i can speak with your experiance

You see, I am a very young Timelord, first time round you see and only a wee nipper in the smart scene, with only one smart vehical under my belt...
You must forgive my Boyish hasteness in answering, I go over my head and say things i sometimes regret, withought thinking. Or maybe i think too much, that is my curse...

Anyhow You've got my respect Buddy!

To give my view on the "i" would be this: I do like it because it's unique looking... but it looks too much like a forfour in some degree, that's why i kind of called it ugly. My Bad :redface: It also hasn't got a bonnet under its window so it looks like a forfour without the gorgeous forfour front and looks awefull.


IMHO It looks like it is skinnier and taller and more prone to tipping over when cornering... but that is just from observation.
It also doesn't help when people call it the forfour that should of been...
I would love to have a test drive in it though, I'm pretty open minded

I think the smart forfour is perfect, well perfect for the owners who have them. They are Nippy, Powerfull, handle corners at speed really well, Very well in fact. The forfour can handle like a rally car. It so well built.
Sure the "i" would of been a more conventional smart *Mitch laughs* In one way only! The economical side.
The 0-62mph time is 14.9 seconds in this whizzy, lightweight car and the top speed is an adequate 84mph.
The 660cc turbocharged engine has a tiny 57bhp output and only 85Nm of torque.

Nope, not for me... I will stick with the more powerfull and fun to drive smart forfour.
Oh and i like the Olive green forfour:

That's me holding a model of it. I'm a huge smart forfour fan!

Some may say the forfour was too expensive but i say not.
So is the "i"
Also didn't bother me cause when the smart forfour was released i couldn't affored to drive. I had only just bought a house lol.
Expensive nah wait till i tell you, my forfour was only around £4000 when i bought mine second hand, that's cheep!
Even £13000 is an avarage price for a good car in my honest oppinon.
Which i belive the quality of the forfour was around that price.

Too small! Nah, Mines a real Tardis.

Conventional colours!! But All silver and All black forfours look Gorgeous!
Which is Why BRABUS chose only those two colours to release their even more powefull forfour in.

Plus the forfour quite clearly says smart in numourous places where as the "i" doesnt. I rest my case. No Plastic interchangable panals, No Trademark smart safty Tridion, No smart rearlights, No smart fun and smart scene...

No smart badge!!

Hehe I've gone over the top again haven't I

That's Mitchturbo for yer

[Thrumbleux]

Re: 4two+2

Forfour is an exercise in 'badge engineering'
Fortwo and Roadster are related, clean sheet designs - untainted - preceded and out lasted forfours - and so define smart. End of.

If forfours are so relaxing to drive, why are their owners so uptight?

[Messerschmitt Owner]

Re: 4two+2

Mitchturbo

the day I turned up in Swindon to pop a couple of 1970s scooters into the back of the forfour and they would not fit, I was annoyed at the lack of load space - also, I could carry as much in the roadie as I could in the forfour - I kid you not. The forfour was slightly better in terms of inside space afterwards, but, make no mistake, the roadie could carry a lot ...


Anyway, my scooters were collected using the motorhome - straight in the garage in the back!

However, the question would be, would I own a forfour? Course I would - doubt it'd be a Nissan Micra version though. I like the idea of the suicide doors though on that rendering of it - haven't had them since I sold my Topolino!

Campbell

[Mitchturbo FFO Timelord]

Re: 4two+2

Forfour is an exercise in 'badge engineering'
Fortwo and Roadster are related, clean sheet designs - untainted - preceded and out lasted forfours - and so define smart. End of.

If forfours are so relaxing to drive, why are their owners so uptight?

Because we want to have fun in the smart scene and meets...
And smart fortwo owners and roadster owners are making us feel as if we are not welcome in the scene by saying that our smart forfours are not smarts

:thanx: I'm a really nice guy as are alot of forfour owners, were all so friendly together and are always wanting to be part of the smart scene.

As we do infact actually own smarts y'know

Outlasted forfours! Not really, the Roadster was wiped clean aswell. As was the 450. In came the 451 fortwo which alot of you B*TCH about aswell.
"Oh it's not as good as the old fortwo" I keep hearing you all say.

Fortwo and Roadster are related, clean sheet designs - untainted - preceded and out lasted forfours

Fortwo's and Roadters are related as they come from the same factory,
but they are no more or less related than to the forfour aswell.
One big family. One big lovely smart family.

out lasted forfours

Not in the engine deparment mate lol

Were all lucky that smart are actually still here. Trying new ideas and trying to please us all with new vehicals.

[MrPoo]

Re: 4two+2

Reasons the forfour isn't really a smart (according to me):

1 - Engine in the wrong end
2 - The trid is a big fat fake
3 - The wheels are 4 stud
4 - It comes in a manual
5 - It doesn't really look much like a smart (bar a few odd touches)
6 - It's got more mitsi badges on its components than a colt*

Mitchturbo
the day I turned up in Swindon to pop a couple of 1970s scooters into the back of the forfour and they would not fit, I was annoyed at the lack of load space - also, I could carry as much in the roadie as I could in the forfour - I kid you not. The forfour was slightly better in terms of inside space afterwards, but, make no mistake, the roadie could carry a lot ...

The forfour boot, with the seats pushed back, is actually smaller than the fortwo boot. I watched GavC trying to ram a pram into his boot that I could have easily slotted into Mr P so, IMO, is utterly useless as a family car. I'd rather stick with the 2 seats myself!

Of course, I have no problem with the owners, I'm just not keen on the car as a 'smart'. They aren't bad to drive, as with the roadie though, horrid PAS.

(*complete fabrication)