4two+2

[10:45PM]

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[In came the 451 fortwo which alot of you B*TCH about aswell.
"Oh it's not as good as the old fortwo" I keep hearing you all say.

I like the 451, so much so that I've had two and got one :silvertri

Roadturd

you spelt it wrong :p

[Thrumbleux]

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chassis (at the level of car we are talking) does not make a car......nor does the engine!! it's all about styling and designJ

You are arguing for style over substance.

It's the 'lip-stick on a pig' argument.

You can stick a badge on on anything. Doesn't change the thing that's underneath.

It's like when you dress up as Paris Hilton. We know it's still JJ underneath the garb. However fetching...

[Mitchturbo FFO Timelord]

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Lol that's funny

[lalli_d1]

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so from a 'Smart' owners perspective the fortwo+2 is a 'proper smart'? is the smart fortwo+2 not a Smart forfour? after all the maths is simple!
so it has a manual gear box, so its got 1 extra wheel studs and not 3 wheel BOLTS, the trid is not fake, and the engine isnt in the 'wrong place'.
the trid is made out of metal like the fortwo, the engine is where the manufacture (mercedes) wanted it to be, can you imagine the stresses on the hubs with only 3 wheel studs with a bigger car?
i think its got the same idea as the fortwo. its got a tridion safty shell, its got plastic pannels that can be swapped/removed and its as fun to drive as the fortwo, manual or auto*!




dont have an auto so i carnt reallt compair

[Messerschmitt Owner]

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so from a 'Smart' owners perspective the fortwo+2 is a 'proper smart'? is the smart fortwo+2 not a Smart forfour? after all the maths is simple!
so it has a manual gear box, so its got 1 extra wheel studs and not 3 wheel BOLTS, the trid is not fake, and the engine isnt in the 'wrong place'.
the trid is made out of metal like the fortwo, the engine is where the manufacture (mercedes) wanted it to be, can you imagine the stresses on the hubs with only 3 wheel studs with a bigger car?
i think its got the same idea as the fortwo. its got a tridion safty shell, its got plastic pannels that can be swapped/removed and its as fun to drive as the fortwo, manual or auto*!




dont have an auto so i carnt reallt compair

Did I say the fortwo+2 was a real smart?

larger car - three stud wheels - Citroen GSA, Citroen 2cv, various Pugs and Renaults - it must be a French thing!

Mind you, talking about Renaults, I saw a crashed one yesterday - plastic wings!

[lalli_d1]

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Did I say the fortwo+2 was a real smart?

i never said YOU said the fortwo+2 was a real smart messer.

[10:45PM]

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i never said YOU said the fortwo+2 was a real smart messer.

No, he was just asking if he'd said it or not , he can't remember at his age

[Messerschmitt Owner]

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i never said YOU said the fortwo+2 was a real smart messer.

ignoring the cheeky fecker above me, you implied that the smart owner considered blah blah blah

and as a smart owner I disagree with your statement.

of course, I didn't notice your deliberate mistake - I am a smart smart owner and you are not Smart!

[MrPoo]

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the trid is not fake, and the engine isnt in the 'wrong place'.
the trid is made out of metal like the fortwo, the engine is where the manufacture (mercedes) wanted it to be,

The forfour is a rebadged colt, the trid is painted on...........

[superstevie]

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The forfour is a rebadged colt, the trid is painted on...........

No, it is not a rebadged colt, in the same way that an Audi TT isnt a rebadged golf! It shares mechanical setups, changed and tweaked by preference to the manufacturer, with a different body shell on top. It is extremely common practice for most manufacturers, and coming to the next fortwo/twingo.

As for the tridion, it think that the part under the windscreen is plastic, but the rest is metal and is the structure of the car. Which would be a worry if it was painted on!

TBH I cannot believe that this arugement is still on going. It is as much a smart as the rest of the range.

I'm personally frustrated that smart/merc wasted a perfect opportunity with the forfour. Look at the demand for upmarket small cars now. Charging a premium for the forfour does not mean it can demand one, as smart found out to its cost. With better look (3 door prefereably) more powerful, yet highly efficient engines, sharper handling (forfour does not match my mini, although its not dreadful) better plastics in the interior, and some clever marketing could have meant it was a success.

And just because it was based on the humble chassis of a colt, does not mean it could not have succeeded. The 500 is a panda, the alfa Mito is a Punto/Corsa and the Audi A1 is a Ibiza/Polo

[tankgirltaz]

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Well said Stevie!!!

I can't believe the snobbery that exists within thw Smart community around the differnt models

Yes I take the pee and made my friend put a mitsi badge on his car but as a joke.

Get over it people the forfour IS a smart, the roadie IS a smart, the old and new fortwo IS a smart!!!

a smart is a smart is a smart!

[Thrumbleux]

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No, it is not a rebadged colt, in the same way that an Audi TT isnt a rebadged golf!

And just because it was based on the humble chassis of a colt,o

You contradict yourself Stevie!
TT had its own half aluminium chassis - very different from the Golf. The chassis of the Colt and forfour are much much closer matched.

The forfour was the wrong car for the right niche. Had to be more 'smart' - rear engined, etc, etc.
Mercedes as a group already had that size of car covered with the innovative A-Class. But keeping it upmarket, smart deserved something better to fit the funky/sporty/quality-but not premium niche. Smart were short changed.

It's taken the DS3 to offer the mini competition. Smart missed a wide open goal.
And for the forfouristas - read the road tests - it just didn't stack up against the competition. Whether as slightly upmarket shopping trolley or hot hatch. That's not to say they aren't likeable, but in those categories punters are looking for the most/best for the least cash.

[superstevie]

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You contradict yourself Stevie!
TT had its own half aluminium chassis - very different from the Golf. The chassis of the Colt and forfour are much much closer matched.

Ok, maybe I should have used the A3 as an example instead, but my point still stands. A lot of the TT is still shared with the golf, including a lot of suspension components. Not all of it was made from aluminium, and to be fair, that was something that happened more on the newer TT than the original one.

[jace]

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I can remember on this forum seven years ago when it was Funkysmart, reading the same arguments about the Roadster being a 'proper smart' or not.

JC

[tankgirltaz]

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I can remember on this forum seven years ago when it was Funkysmart, reading the same arguments about the Roadster being a 'proper smart' or not.

JC

yep and look what happened to FS!!