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[Thrumbleux]

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This thread just proves to me i'm right not to come on here very often - why should we have to endure being made to feel some kind of inferiority just cos our cars were a collaboration with Mitszi . its still a SMART
I'm sorry but i'm thankful of that fact with the highly reliable engines we have instead of the shite smart version in the fortwo's needing rebuilds at only 50k miles i keep reading about on smart forums .
Maybe your only doing it cos you know your fortwo's are inferior to ours & the only way of lessening the blow of that fact is by trying to knock ours

I only came on here today to see what shite had been written about our cars again on here ..

see you the next time .which i know will be soon
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We are discussing the place of the forfour in both the smart line up and the market place.
You are merely slagging fortwos.

''I only came on here today to see what shite had been written about our cars again on here .. '' quote

Did you get what you came here for then?
You want to call it sh!te...then that's because you are a sh!t stirrer. Everywhere you post, you just want a bare knuckle fight.
Can't you do reasoned debate?

[Messerschmitt Owner]

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Can't you do reasoned debate?

I can do reasoned debate!*

It does strike me that there's a lot of smart owners with chips on their shoulders. Reasoned debate about the abject failure of the forfour and failure of the roadster is fine by me!

Sometimes, things just don't work out - and it is true of both these cars, although the roadster, as a niche player, worked better in real terms than the more mainstream forfour.








































*Now, agree with me or I throw my toys out of the pram!!!

[Thrumbleux]

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It's pretty simple.
The fortwo and Roadster offered some things that were unavailable anywhere else. Certain switched on individuals recognised this and bought into the uniqueness, thus appearing unique themselves. Individual even.
Then the forfour came along, offered nothing unique, and had to compete with the mainstream and failed to cut it. So, it was bought be those who, for what ever reason(s), didn't want a fortwo or Roadster but wanted some of the smart identity.
Thus, they are precious about it being a 'real' smart.

[MrPoo]

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does it fookin matter if the trid is painted on ? i could say the same about the fortwo and the roadster, there trid's are painted on!

No....their trids are a metal shell that is painted. The forfour is made to look like it has the smart 'trid'.

See:



Can't find the equivalent of the forfour

I was merely pointing out the reasons I don't see it as a real smart, no need to get aggressive!

always thought that would have been better as a smart rather than a merc, or at least they should have done a smart version

Ah yes, shoved the engine in the rear, made it a lot more funky and it probably would have sold.

I can do reasoned debate!*
*Now, agree with me or I throw my toys out of the pram!!!

Lol, sounds about right!

So, it was bought be those who, for what ever reason(s), didn't want* a fortwo or Roadster but wanted some of the smart identity.
Thus, they are precious about it being a 'real' smart.

*couldn't have because they've got kids

Like I said, it's all down to personal opinion and none of this is directed at the owners of said cars. Christ, if I took every comment about my pile of **** to heart I'd be rocking in the corner by now.

[Thrumbleux]

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*couldn't have because they've got kids

All sorts of possibilities - none of which were ever caused by the owner of a fortwo or Roadster!

[Messerschmitt Owner]

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Ms Poo

most modern cars (barring those made of composites and those with a chassis) have a metal monocoque bodyshell - it is just that smart has chosen to give its monocoque a stupid name (a bit like L'oreal (cosmetics) and Danone (Activa youghurts, etc)), which in this case is Tridion.

The tridion is no different to a 'safety cell', 'passenger compartment, etc. That's all bollox marketing speak - smart just chose to differentiate theirs in a way that suited the idea of plastic panels - something I shall hasten to add, smart did not invent - Citroen, with the BX, had composite bumpers, bonnets and tailgates long before smart had even been thought of. Also, it is worth noting that many modern vehicles have plastic panels (the Renault Megane has plastic front wings, for example).

Smart itself has used marketing to the extreme with their vehicles (first car to be sold on the internet, viral advertising and so on) and the fortwo's bodyshell is a unique selling point and marketing tool - but not a unique thing in the car industry. I shall go back to Lancia in the 1930s for they made the first 'safety cell' monocoque.

The forfour was an attempt by smart to open a new segment of the car market for themselves and they failed at it - doesn't make the car a bad thing - it isn't, but it was an abject failure in its marketplace due to numerous reasons. It does have a 'tridion' safety cell, or passenger monocoque or bodyshell, or body or passenger compartment, or whatever else we choose to call it. It just isn't smart! that is all!

And those who don't get that, will just never understand.

[MrPoo]

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, Mr Messy. Aren't those modern equivalents a different kettle of fish in terms of crumple zones and the like?

Incidentally,I was told the trid wasn't a real trid like the smart........by a forfour owner

[superstevie]

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for many, having just 2 seats is not enough. Its one of the reasons I got a MINI. And small cars don't really need to cater just for families. They are bought more by young single/couples or those who's kids have grown up now. Those with kids tend to get bigger cars in the first place. A fortwo may have a more practical shaped boot for a pram, but it doesnt eactly allow mum and dad to travel with their child legally.

And if you think the forfour's boot is small, try a MINI! But lil.smartie manages with Holly in her's

[10:45PM]

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most modern cars (barring those made of composites and those with a chassis) have a metal monocoque bodyshell - it is just that smart has chosen to give its monocoque a stupid name (a bit like L'oreal (cosmetics) and Danone (Activa youghurts, etc)), which in this case is Tridion.

The tridion is no different to a 'safety cell', 'passenger compartment, etc. That's all bollox marketing speak - smart just chose to differentiate theirs in a way that suited the idea of plastic panels .

the merricans are being fed mushroom food like this apparently:

I quote:

“It’s one of the top safety rated,” he said. “It’s built like a race car, with the chassis being a steel tube with a channel welded around it.

:wag:Yeah okay , you go on believing that if you want to

That's all bollox marketing speak

it IS all bollox marketing speak

I was told the trid wasn't a real trid like the smart

you still don't get it do you , 'the trid' is just marketing speak for a 'fancy' bodyshell

[Messerschmitt Owner]

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you still don't get it do you , 'the trid' is just marketing speak for a 'fancy' bodyshell

it is smart's way of explaining the use of skanky plastic panels! Make your cheap, nasty placky panels sound like a style choice!

[10:45PM]

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:wag: 'skanky' plastic (pre-finished) panels are xx% of what made me buy into the brand back in 2002 :smile:

and what (reverting to unfinished panels) made me trade up when 2007 came along

At least you can get them off (relatively) quickly on the fortwo :p

[Messerschmitt Owner]

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:wag: 'skanky' plastic (pre-finished) panels are xx% of what made me buy into the brand back in 2002 :smile:

and what (reverting to unfinished panels) made me trade up when 2007 came along

At least you can get them off (relatively) quickly on the fortwo :p

hey, I think they're great too, but they are a bit skanky and clever marketing was a good way of selling the concept to us gullible fools.

Oh 10.50, my messerschmitt has a steel, welded tubular chassis from which the body panels hang from - it's still more marketing babble

[10:45PM]

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Oh 10.50, my messerschmitt has a steel, welded tubular chassis from which the body panels hang from - it's still more marketing babble

hey, it sounds just like the american version of the smart car


I have an inkling where they got the misinformation :zip:

Roger Penske of racing fame is behind the smart in the states isn't he

(^^ that's just a random fact of the day , nothing at all to do with the sentence above it :p )

[Puddlejumper]

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This thread just proves to me i'm right not to come on here very often - why should we have to endure being made to feel some kind of inferiority just cos our cars were a collaboration with Mitszi . its still a SMART
I'm sorry but i'm thankful of that fact with the highly reliable engines we have instead of the shite smart version in the fortwo's needing rebuilds at only 50k miles i keep reading about on smart forums .
Maybe your only doing it cos you know your fortwo's are inferior to ours & the only way of lessening the blow of that fact is by trying to knock ours

I only came on here today to see what shite had been written about our cars again on here ..

see you the next time .which i know will be soon
xxx


xxx

Now now Baggy...calm down, the worst possible thing you can do on this thread is slag off Fortwos...for a start a lot more people own fortwos than they do forfours...you dont want that kind if fight on here!!!

Well this bloody topic raises its ugly head again i see!!!...Does it really matter whether people think the Forfour is a "proper" smart or not??? If you own a Forfour then you like the Forfour...surely this is all that matters...

At the end of the day...the Forfour has the engine at the front (not a smart engine though!!)...so what! Whether the trid is real or not...does it matter as long as it saves lives when in crashes! Who cares if the trid is just painted on...if it looks good then so what!

FACT...Smarts are made at Hambach....non smarts are not made at Hambach....where was the Forfour made??????

[coolfart]

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Just a thought as i think you must all be sick!

I just can't believe that I just read through 8 pages of rubbish, about a car that hasn't been in production for 4(??) years (come on forfour experts I know you'll correct me!!)......and was never a great success when they made it!
I tried a forfour when I was looking for a 'family' car......thought it was far too cramped for space, so didn't buy one! those of you that bought one, must have done so because you liked it.....as well as it having smart 'branding'! If you didn't like it, then obviously you must be a bit unhinged anyway!!! But WHY does this subject keep getting dragged up???

There will always be people that don't like forfours, the same as there will always be people that dont like fortwos/451's/roadsters/roadster coupes/nissan micras/whatever...........the whole point of buying ANY car should be it's something that YOU, PERSONALLY ENJOY!!!!

So please, get over it......



BTW....any smart owners....(fortwo, forfour, roadster, crossblade, or anything else that has a smart badge on it), are ALWAYS welcome at any meets or events that I organise.......I believe it's the people that should be fun.....don't care if you are an ex-smart owner, and you turn up in a 'normal' car!!!!